[ Gray checks out at "materialism." But she's also a pro at surviving onslaughts of jargon even if she's doing it at 1 HP, so she clings onto the tail end of what the man says with Bear Grylls-like grit. ]

I see...

[ She does not see. And to prove it, she metaphorically rolls onto her belly by physically dipping her head in apology, her hood briefly obscuring her face. ]

I'm not very good at debates... or philosophy, either. I probably won't be a better conversation partner for you.